Comments on: Expecting the Unexpected http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/ Paul Pehrson's technical writing blog Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:33:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Derek http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58736 Derek Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:55:36 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58736 If the gravitational pull is going to be so ridiculous from this machine, then wouldn't that increase the chances of earth getting pummeled by close range asteroids and such? I too am curious as to what is out there, but there is an old saying that goes.."Be careful what you look for, you just might find it."<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58736','Derek'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58736','Derek','If the gravitational pull is going to be so ridiculous from this machine, then wouldn\'t that increase the chances of earth getting pummeled by close range asteroids and such?\r\n\r\n I too am curious as to what is out there, but there is an old saying that goes..\"Be careful what you look for, you just might find it.\"'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If the gravitational pull is going to be so ridiculous from this machine, then wouldn’t that increase the chances of earth getting pummeled by close range asteroids and such?

I too am curious as to what is out there, but there is an old saying that goes..”Be careful what you look for, you just might find it.”

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]]> By: Anon http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58727 Anon Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:43:59 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58727 Dude said: <blockquote>You’re interpretation is gramatically incorrect.</blockquote> You are a nice one to be arguing about grammar. Not only do you improperly use "your" (you said "you are interpretation..."), but you misspelled grammatically. You don't get to be a grammar cop and not have people call you on your own grammar inadequacies.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58727','Anon'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58727','Anon','Dude said: <blockquote>You’re interpretation is gramatically incorrect.<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\n\r\nYou are a nice one to be arguing about grammar. Not only do you improperly use \"your\" (you said \"you are interpretation...\"), but you misspelled grammatically. You don\'t get to be a grammar cop and not have people call you on your own grammar inadequacies.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dude said:
You’re interpretation is gramatically incorrect.

You are a nice one to be arguing about grammar. Not only do you improperly use “your” (you said “you are interpretation…”), but you misspelled grammatically. You don’t get to be a grammar cop and not have people call you on your own grammar inadequacies.

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]]> By: Bob http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58709 Bob Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:13:49 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58709 The types of particle collisions that this device will cause happen all the time near the centers of galaxies and near the event horizon of black holes. All it does is cause a spray of "exotic" particles that can be studied to help determine exactly "what is" matter. Relax, folks.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58709','Bob'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58709','Bob','The types of particle collisions that this device will cause happen all the time near the centers of galaxies and near the event horizon of black holes. All it does is cause a spray of \"exotic\" particles that can be studied to help determine exactly \"what is\" matter.\r\n\r\nRelax, folks.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The types of particle collisions that this device will cause happen all the time near the centers of galaxies and near the event horizon of black holes. All it does is cause a spray of “exotic” particles that can be studied to help determine exactly “what is” matter.

Relax, folks.

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]]> By: God http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58703 God Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:22:24 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58703 Let'em play with the matter. It may put you closer to understanding of my greatness. Won't hurt to try.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58703','God'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58703','God','Let\'em play with the matter. It may put you closer to understanding of my greatness. Won\'t hurt to try.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Let’em play with the matter. It may put you closer to understanding of my greatness. Won’t hurt to try.
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]]> By: MrK http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58701 MrK Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:47:18 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58701 I'm tired of anyone who has as much as a minor in physics calling themselves a physicist. It's time that the APS www.aps.org created a professional physicist similar to a professional engineer.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58701','MrK'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58701','MrK','I\'m tired of anyone who has as much as a minor in physics calling themselves a physicist. It\'s time that the APS www.aps.org created a professional physicist similar to a professional engineer.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’m tired of anyone who has as much as a minor in physics calling themselves a physicist. It’s time that the APS http://www.aps.org created a professional physicist similar to a professional engineer.
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]]> By: JTankers http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58699 JTankers Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:13:22 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58699 Ryan S. writes "Dr. Otto E. Rossler is also a medical doctor." Dr. Rossler a professor of theoretical biology and authored about 500 scientific papers according to scholarpedia (http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler). Professor Rossler is probably most famous for his contributions to Chaos theory. Rossler attractors are still commonly used today I understand. Dr. Rossler's theories were incorporated into the new safety report. Before Dr. Rossler's calculations, micro black holes were assumed to be neutral. Now we believe they may become charged and grow at a very rapid rate. Unfortunately there are no reasonably irrefutable arguments that I am aware of for the safety of creating micro black holes with velocities too slow to escape Earth. CERN's SPC Committee concludes no danger, but those conclusions are based on unconfirmed arguments... Quote "A powerful argument applicable also to higher energies is formulated making reference to observed neutron stars, but this argument relies on properties of cosmic rays and neutrinos that, while highly plausible, do require confirmation, as can be expected in the coming years." - CERN's SPC Committee. http://indico.cern.ch/getFile.py/access?contribId=20&resId=0&materialId=0&confId=35065 LHCFacts.org<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58699','JTankers'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58699','JTankers','Ryan S. writes \"Dr. Otto E. Rossler is also a medical doctor.\"\r\n\r\nDr. Rossler a professor of theoretical biology and authored about 500 scientific papers according to scholarpedia (http:\/\/www.scholarpedia.org\/article\/User:Rossler). \r\n\r\nProfessor Rossler is probably most famous for his contributions to Chaos theory. Rossler attractors are still commonly used today I understand. \r\n\r\nDr. Rossler\'s theories were incorporated into the new safety report. Before Dr. Rossler\'s calculations, micro black holes were assumed to be neutral. Now we believe they may become charged and grow at a very rapid rate.\r\n\r\nUnfortunately there are no reasonably irrefutable arguments that I am aware of for the safety of creating micro black holes with velocities too slow to escape Earth.\r\n\r\nCERN\'s SPC Committee concludes no danger, but those conclusions are based on unconfirmed arguments...\r\n\r\nQuote \"A powerful argument applicable also to higher energies is formulated making reference to observed neutron stars, but this argument relies on properties of cosmic rays and neutrinos that, while highly plausible, do require confirmation, as can be expected in the coming years.\" - CERN\'s SPC Committee.\r\nhttp:\/\/indico.cern.ch\/getFile.py\/access?contribId=20&amp;resId=0&amp;materialId=0&amp;confId=35065\r\n\r\nLHCFacts.org'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ryan S. writes “Dr. Otto E. Rossler is also a medical doctor.”

Dr. Rossler a professor of theoretical biology and authored about 500 scientific papers according to scholarpedia (http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler).

Professor Rossler is probably most famous for his contributions to Chaos theory. Rossler attractors are still commonly used today I understand.

Dr. Rossler’s theories were incorporated into the new safety report. Before Dr. Rossler’s calculations, micro black holes were assumed to be neutral. Now we believe they may become charged and grow at a very rapid rate.

Unfortunately there are no reasonably irrefutable arguments that I am aware of for the safety of creating micro black holes with velocities too slow to escape Earth.

CERN’s SPC Committee concludes no danger, but those conclusions are based on unconfirmed arguments…

Quote “A powerful argument applicable also to higher energies is formulated making reference to observed neutron stars, but this argument relies on properties of cosmic rays and neutrinos that, while highly plausible, do require confirmation, as can be expected in the coming years.” - CERN’s SPC Committee.
http://indico.cern.ch/getFile.py/access?contribId=20&resId=0&materialId=0&confId=35065

LHCFacts.org

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]]> By: Reflecting_Pool http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58698 Reflecting_Pool Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:33:07 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58698 The validity of the LHC concerns expressed is evident from the known facts. This article states "The most powerful atom-smasher ever built could make some bizarre discoveries, such as invisible matter or extra dimensions in space." In other words, by CERNs own reckoning, this atom-smasher seeks to create, for the very first time, evidence of "invisible matter" and "extra dimensions in space" . . . something that has never been done before, utilizing a method and power never before actualized on this planet. By CERNs own ecstatic admission, this LHC "experiment" will be delving into something that is currently totally beyond the present knowledge and comprehension of the scientific experts conducting those experiments (clearly "invisible matter" and "extra dimensions in space" are well beyond current understanding and comprehension, as they are presently merely theories). The CERN report merely states there is "no conceivable danger" of a cataclysmic event. CERN lawyers have merely said "there is no basis for any conceivable threat" from black holes or other objects the LHC might produce. These statements are certified "tautologies" (circular reasoning fallacies) because the entire subject of the experiment well exceeds what is presently conceivable. There is nothing in the realm of "extra dimensions in space" that is presently "conceivable" to anyone on this planet, because there simply is no precedent for it. CERN openly acknowledges that the experiment will send "two beams of protons ... speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space," utilizing ""The most powerful atom-smasher ever built." Therefore, by definition, the experiment is unprecedented, and CERNs statement that "The LHC is only going to reproduce what nature does every second" is, by their own accounts, false and erroneous on its face. As CERN has unequivocally stated, "two beams of protons will race" through the LHC "speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space." That obliterates any notion that accelerator is merely mimicking ordinary events in the universe.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58698','Reflecting_Pool'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58698','Reflecting_Pool','The validity of the LHC concerns expressed is evident from the known facts. This article states \"The most powerful atom-smasher ever built could make some bizarre discoveries, such as invisible matter or extra dimensions in space.\" In other words, by CERNs own reckoning, this atom-smasher seeks to create, for the very first time, evidence of \"invisible matter\" and \"extra dimensions in space\" . . . something that has never been done before, utilizing a method and power never before actualized on this planet. By CERNs own ecstatic admission, this LHC \"experiment\" will be delving into something that is currently totally beyond the present knowledge and comprehension of the scientific experts conducting those experiments (clearly \"invisible matter\" and \"extra dimensions in space\" are well beyond current understanding and comprehension, as they are presently merely theories). The CERN report merely states there is \"no conceivable danger\" of a cataclysmic event. CERN lawyers have merely said \"there is no basis for any conceivable threat\" from black holes or other objects the LHC might produce. These statements are certified \"tautologies\" (circular reasoning fallacies) because the entire subject of the experiment well exceeds what is presently conceivable. There is nothing in the realm of \"extra dimensions in space\" that is presently \"conceivable\" to anyone on this planet, because there simply is no precedent for it. CERN openly acknowledges that the experiment will send \"two beams of protons ... speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space,\" utilizing \"\"The most powerful atom-smasher ever built.\" Therefore, by definition, the experiment is unprecedented, and CERNs statement that \"The LHC is only going to reproduce what nature does every second\" is, by their own accounts, false and erroneous on its face. As CERN has unequivocally stated, \"two beams of protons will race\" through the LHC \"speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space.\" That obliterates any notion that accelerator is merely mimicking ordinary events in the universe.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The validity of the LHC concerns expressed is evident from the known facts. This article states “The most powerful atom-smasher ever built could make some bizarre discoveries, such as invisible matter or extra dimensions in space.” In other words, by CERNs own reckoning, this atom-smasher seeks to create, for the very first time, evidence of “invisible matter” and “extra dimensions in space” . . . something that has never been done before, utilizing a method and power never before actualized on this planet. By CERNs own ecstatic admission, this LHC “experiment” will be delving into something that is currently totally beyond the present knowledge and comprehension of the scientific experts conducting those experiments (clearly “invisible matter” and “extra dimensions in space” are well beyond current understanding and comprehension, as they are presently merely theories). The CERN report merely states there is “no conceivable danger” of a cataclysmic event. CERN lawyers have merely said “there is no basis for any conceivable threat” from black holes or other objects the LHC might produce. These statements are certified “tautologies” (circular reasoning fallacies) because the entire subject of the experiment well exceeds what is presently conceivable. There is nothing in the realm of “extra dimensions in space” that is presently “conceivable” to anyone on this planet, because there simply is no precedent for it. CERN openly acknowledges that the experiment will send “two beams of protons … speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space,” utilizing “”The most powerful atom-smasher ever built.” Therefore, by definition, the experiment is unprecedented, and CERNs statement that “The LHC is only going to reproduce what nature does every second” is, by their own accounts, false and erroneous on its face. As CERN has unequivocally stated, “two beams of protons will race” through the LHC “speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space.” That obliterates any notion that accelerator is merely mimicking ordinary events in the universe.
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]]> By: Rick Stone http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58690 Rick Stone Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:44:13 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58690 One does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand that the if the immense forces that are being generated can create a black hole, a place where gravity is so strong that even Einstein’s gravitational laws must break down, there is no precedent to what could occur. This means that what could occur is as much conjecture as what will not occur. -ps, I don't have a degree in physics so I have no idea what I am talking about.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58690','Rick Stone'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58690','Rick Stone','One does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand that the if the immense forces that are being generated can create a black hole, a place where gravity is so strong that even Einstein’s gravitational laws must break down, there is no precedent to what could occur. \r\n\r\nThis means that what could occur is as much conjecture as what will not occur. \r\n\r\n-ps, I don\'t have a degree in physics so I have no idea what I am talking about.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> One does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand that the if the immense forces that are being generated can create a black hole, a place where gravity is so strong that even Einstein’s gravitational laws must break down, there is no precedent to what could occur.

This means that what could occur is as much conjecture as what will not occur.

-ps, I don’t have a degree in physics so I have no idea what I am talking about.

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]]> By: Alexey Petrov http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58688 Alexey Petrov Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:36:45 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58688 We know that something new should be present in the LHC data -- otherwise theories that currently well describe all available experimental data become very sick. Currently, the most conservative assumption is the Higgs particle. But even with this discovery, we'd explain such basic properties of matter as mass! That's why we expect something startling!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58688','Alexey Petrov'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58688','Alexey Petrov','We know that something new should be present in the LHC data -- otherwise theories that currently well describe all available experimental data become very sick. Currently, the most conservative assumption is the Higgs particle. But even with this discovery, we\'d explain such basic properties of matter as mass! That\'s why we expect something startling!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> We know that something new should be present in the LHC data — otherwise theories that currently well describe all available experimental data become very sick. Currently, the most conservative assumption is the Higgs particle. But even with this discovery, we’d explain such basic properties of matter as mass! That’s why we expect something startling!
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]]> By: paul http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58687 paul Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:34:30 +0000 http://blog.paulpehrson.com/2008/06/30/expecting-the-unexpected/#comment-58687 Dude: I never said it was wrong. I just found it humorous. No need to pull out the grammar guru guns :)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('58687','paul'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('58687','paul','Dude: I never said it was wrong. I just found it humorous. No need to pull out the grammar guru guns :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dude: I never said it was wrong. I just found it humorous. No need to pull out the grammar guru guns :)
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